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Post by jessicalee on Sept 15, 2013 5:17:55 GMT
I think that humans have a natural inclination to name everything in sight. Through names, we gain connection, identification, and familiarity. It is interesting that Carver does not name many of the other seemingly significant people in the narrator's life. I think this serves to emphasize the connection that Robert and the narrator share. Robert calls the narrator "bub" to give him a title to remember him by. This demonstrates that even the blind man- who is not capable of matching names to faces- carries the human condition of labeling things because he longs to connect to the narrator. Thus, by leaving out other names, such as that of the wife, Carver causes the reader to focus on the relationship between the two men.
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Post by Lacey Doby on Sept 15, 2013 18:56:53 GMT
It's odd, I've gone back to re-read sections of the book, and I've noticed that the wife uses Robert's name almost too excessively. when they are engaging in the slightly awkward small-talk when Robert first comes to the house, Carver writes, "'You look distinguished Robert,' she said, 'Robert' she said, 'Robert, it's just so good to see you,'" (Carver 102). Whenever the wife and Robert are talking or involved in the conversation, Robert is always referred to as Robert, but when the main character and Robert are alone together, Robert is 'the blind man.' I think the main purpose of this is to show that the wife influences her husband to think a certain way, but when he is on his own, he always resorts back to his original assumptions about a person. He is so used to thinking about Robert as the blind man that he doesn't name Robert even after he meets the real person. Names are important, they are something that set a person apart from all of the other people in the world and something people use to distinguish one another from each other. The main character doesn't give Robert a name because, to him, Robert is just a blind man, something he has never seen before. His wife, on the other hand, understands that Robert is a human being, and therefore, uses his name, almost a little too much. I think she might be using his name so much to remind herself that Robert is a person and not just a category of person, aka, blind people. It is easy to slip people in a niche based on their background or the clothes they wear, etc, but when you get to know a person, they become a person and are given a name, not just a category. I hope that after the final scene the main character has with Robert, he will begin to see Robert as an individual instead of a category.
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Post by garygates on Sept 15, 2013 19:22:47 GMT
The way that Carver uses names in "Cathedral" is quite unique. In most stories the first person the author introduces his or her audience to is the main character. The main character in "Cathedral," however, is given no name except for being called 'bub' by Robert, the blind man. Carver does not give his narrator a name because the lack of a name cloaks the his narrator in a shroud of mystery. Take every-day introductions for instance. The general trend when meeting someone for the first time is to shake hands and exchange names by saying something like, "Hi, I'm Gary." It's such a simple and overused line, but it's overused because it is so effective. By telling someone your name you you give them a label to paste alongside a face and a title that superimposes their actions. In essence, by telling another person your name you allow this person into your life.
Carver takes advantage of the significance of an introduction and leaves his audience hungry for a name throughout his entire novel, but never satiates this curiosity. What is his reason for this? We know that the narrator is important yet without a name and adjectives of physical appearance it is extremely difficult to label the narrator. Carver creates further mystery behind his narrator's persona when he begins his short story by introducing readers to Robert, the blind man. The narrator tells of his wife and Robert's entire history together, giving an audience a background from which to judge both characters, however through all this storytelling the narrator only reveals small tidbits of his own beliefs and opinions, like, "I wasn't enthusiastic about his visit. He was no one I knew. And his being blind bothered me. My idea of blindness came from the movies. In the movies, the blind moved slowly and never laughed...A blind man in my house was not something I looked forward to" (Carver 99). When the narrator reveals small pieces of his opinions, like this quote, we learn a little about how he thinks, but he remains an incomplete puzzle. The one advantage to this incompleteness is that we, as an audience, are more keyed into the narrator's development.
Once Robert comes over to the narrator's house the scene is kind of tense and awkward. The narrator generally seems out of all conversations and acts bored of his company, once turning on the television to the irritation of his wife when amidst a half-hearted conversation with Robert. Once the narrator's wife leaves, though, the narrator begins to warm up to Robert. The narrator gets to describing what's on the television, which ends up being a cathedral. When the narrator has worn out all his descriptive skills in trying to paint an image of the cathedral in Robert's mind, Robert asks the narrator to draw the cathedral on a piece of paper and let him hold the narrator's hand while doing so. Eventually Robert says, "Close your eyes now...Don't stop now. Draw" (Carver 108). At the end of this experience the narrator tells us, "My eyes were still closed. I was in the house. I knew that. But I didn't feel like I was inside anything" (Carver 108).The narrator has progressed from a character who initially was uncomfortable with the notion of blindness and blind people to a person who cannot say he completely understands what it is like to be blind but has had a major epiphany on the topic. He has morphed from an anxious and judgmental person into a more patient learner and his lack of a name has helped him to do so. When reading the final lines of this short story we can see a completely new character, and because the narrator does not have a name he has reinvented himself and created a new label that we pair with 'the narrator'. The lack of a name really separates the narrator from his past and any prior judgments we had created to describe him because in all honesty, we never felt like we were ever truly introduced to him. Up until now, he was shrouded in mystery.
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Post by sheridanf on Sept 15, 2013 22:00:00 GMT
Have you ever tried drawing someone (a specific person, like your best friend or your mother) and then found that you had a really hard time trying? For the life of you, you just couldn't remember some of the details- the shape of the person's nose, the position of their eyes on their face, or how they smile. I rarely draw, but when I do I usually don't draw people, mostly because I can never remember all those little things about their appearances. Now, this isn't because I'm a bad person who can't picture people exactly as they are in my head. Sometimes we get to know people so well that we start forgetting all those little details, and our images of them in our minds have more to do with their personalities instead. We start focusing on a person's inner appearance more than their outer appearance the more we get to know them. What does all of that have to do with "Cathedral?" The point of this short story is that the blind man somehow "sees" more than the narrator, who has had his vision all his life. The blind man can know names, but that won't ever help him "see" a person- he is unable to make judgments such as "That's a name for a colored woman" (pg. 101). We as readers can learn from the blind man that names aren't really all that important; rather, it's that general gist of one's personality that people form that's truly important. Even though we can see, we sometimes become a bit "blind" in a good way- we can start forgetting some aspects of one's physical appearance (and put less emphasis on a person's name) and start focusing more on the inner appearance.
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Post by jamiezimmerman on Sept 16, 2013 0:55:41 GMT
I agree that the whole naming thing serves to denote who is important and who isn't. Think about the only names we come across in this story, but also what they have done in their life. Robert has lived an interesting life - "[He] had done a little of everything... a regular bind jack-of-all-trades" (103). His wife Beulah once experienced a notion so profound that the narrator couldn't help but consider her - "Imagine a woman who could go on day after day and never receive the smallest compliment from her beloved. a woman whose husband could never read the expression on her face" (101). Even Barry Fitzgerald, the Irish actor that Robert quoted when he insisted on having only a little water in his Scotch was named!
The narrator and his wife are a foil. They lead pretty unremarkable lives. The wife, maybe, has some interesting backstory with the failed engagement with the Army officer, but the narrator is certainly boring, at best. Robert had asked, "How long had I been in my present position? (Three years). Did I like my work? (I didn't). Was I going to stay with it? (What were the options?" (103-4). The narrator is so uninteresting that his wife won't even mention him in her long conversation with Robert: "They talked of things that had happened to them - to them! - these past ten years. I waited in vain to hear my name on my wife's sweet lips... But I heard nothing of the sort" (103). The narrator has contributed very little to the human experience, mindlessly dragging through his life waiting to die, and finding no intention of improving himself. The narrator isn't named because he doesn't deserve one.
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Post by jennyxu on Sept 16, 2013 1:14:12 GMT
In "Cathedral", names seem to hold very little significance. The only two names that appear throughout are Robert and Beulah. The narrator's reaction to the name Beulah shows that names can create unnecessary prejudices towards a character, for he automatically assumes that she must be a colored woman. Sometimes, names distract from the clarity of a story with their implications. Even though the blind man has a name, Robert, the narrator rarely chooses to refer to him as that. It focuses the story to that one trait, his blindness, rather than any other elements of his character. When the narrator talks about the blind man's history and background, relatively unimportant information, he uses the name Robert, but when he describes the blind man's actions, he emphasizes them to the readers by simply referring to him as "the blind man". The wife, on the other hand, overuses "Robert", to the point where it feels like forced cordiality. The narrator's attitude towards the label of "the blind man" seems to change, however, from the beginning to the end of the story. At first, it reveals the unease the narrator feels towards the man, as well as the way he regards him as a stereotype derived from the movies. The narrator expects certain characteristics and behaviors that he associates with the term "blind". By using "the blind man" instead of Robert, the story shows the gradual transition to the narrator's acceptance and understanding of blindness. When the narrator closes his eyes, he connects to the blind man in a deeper way than he can with the familiarity of a name.
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Post by anaritter on Sept 16, 2013 1:14:59 GMT
A name only has as much significance as we assign to it.
The narrator is unsure of everything - himself, his relationship with his wife, his religious opinions, how he feels about the blind man coming to his house and how his wife feels about him. The only thing he really seems to be sure of is the blind man's identity. He knows Robert's name and his entire life story, while some pieces of his own wife's story are missing. He's gotten to know this man and all of his experiences through his wife, as if he really knows him. And he's detached enough from this man to believe that he really does know everything there is to know.
That's why the blind man is the only person referred to by first name, because he's the only thing that the narrator is sure of, that he knows by heart, from start to finish. In this context, a name is the height of recognition.
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Post by davidqin on Sept 16, 2013 1:29:42 GMT
I think Carver avoids names when the character is insignificant. For example, the wife's first husband gets the description "why should he have a name? he was the childhood sweetheart, and what more does he want" (100) because he is so unimportant to the story. Even the wife doesn't get a name! She's a flat character there to emphasize the level of understanding that Robert and the protagonist reach by the end of the story. On the other hand, Beulah gets a name. I believe Carver intended (yes, I'm dancing with danger here by trying to divine what Carver intended) for Beulah to characterize the narrator as a judgmental character; at the same time, we are led to assume Robert does not discern such differences. In that sense, Beulah becomes a very important character in the context of characterizing the two main figures in the second half of the story.
The lack of names in "Cathedral" could also be out of respect to Robert's point of view. Robert's lack of visual imagery allows him to set aside distinctions and treat everybody equally. The only two names in the story relate to Robert and his partial view of life. Furthermore, Robert's use of the name "Bub" for the narrator serves to emphasize his positive outlook despite his physical limitations, whereas the narrator has everything yet still is unhappy. The few names in the story therefore become more than just names of people, but they convey important details about the focus, Robert. When a story becomes bogged down with dozens of names, they collectively start to lose their significance in the eyes of the reader, becoming just labels; Carver allows the few in "Cathedral" to stand out and to play a far more important role by not serving as labels but helping to characterize and improve our understanding of Robert, in the same way as the blind man extracts many details from the senses he can use.
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Post by clairem on Sept 16, 2013 1:30:40 GMT
-> Throughout his short story "Cathedral", Raymond Carver rarely ever refers to his characters as anything other than characteristic generalizations. Calling the narrator's wife, 'his wife', her blind friend, 'blind man', and her childhood lover, 'childhood sweetheart', the narrator's lack of specific names detracts from the ability of the reader to connect with the characters but overall enhances other areas of the story.
-> An interesting aspect of Carver's writing is the fact that he directly acknowledges his lack of name use in his story. I believe his intent with lack of names is to have the reader recognize the character as exactly who are they are in the story and how they are relevant, but no more than that. When discussing the narrator's wife's childhood sweetheart he writes, "Her officer- why should he have a name? he was the childhood sweetheart, and what more does he want?" (Carver 100). Carver feels as though the childhood sweetheart's name is irrelevant to the story and solely wants the reader to know the vital information. When Carver writes, "what more does he want", he really means "what more is necessary to use to describe him". Though lack of names makes the personal connections with characters difficult it does make it clear to the reader what is important to know and what isn't, especially in regards to characters.
-> Another unique writing technique that Carver uses is the interesting important he places on locations over people. When describing people Carver uses only generalizations, but whenever the concept of place or location is broached, a great amount of detail is used. Every Air Force base the wife had lived at is listed by name and the discussion about the blind man's travels took up a great portion of the evening and the conversation. This important on location of events rather than the people in them greatly ties in with the reason Carver doesn't use names.
-> By the end of the story the narrator has seen through the eyes of the blind man and truly changes his perspective on the world around him. I believe that the reason so little importance is placed on names is because Carver wants to portray the message that it could have been any person in the narrator's position with any blind man, the specific event and location would have changed them not necessarily the individual people.
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Post by gracepark on Sept 16, 2013 1:44:29 GMT
I think we can all agree that the minimalism of this short story is what makes it so appealing and unique. This story is by no means laced with so-called bedazzling or decorative details that artificially add flavor to the book. Instead the author strips his piece of unnecessary details to further add to the feel of his story. Take, for example, the one scene in the story when the narrator is describing his wife’s first husband. “Her officer – why should he have a name? he was the childhood sweetheart, and what more does he want?...” (100). I found it interesting how the narrator completely bashed away the significant existence of this character. A name in itself very much acts as evidence of a person’s reality and just choosing to ignore his name only emphasizes Carver’s practice of eliminating any kind of unnecessary details. But in addition to that, I find the lack of names to signify Carver’s attempt to make the characters more universal. By stripping them of any individualistic qualities, Carver makes his characters more symbolic and almost tangible. And because of this, we as readers can sense a more dynamic and realistic aurora of isolation and loneliness through all the characters – the narrator, the narrator’s wife, and Robert.
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Post by coreybrown on Sept 16, 2013 1:59:05 GMT
I'd like to waltz with the array of different opinions presented regarding the use of names/titles and what that implies about the relationship between those individuals. When we think about someone we know, we don't just think "that's Joe," we think of a collection of information related to that person. We think of their physical appearance, their demeanor, their voice, their occupation, etc. but most importantly, we think of our relationship with that person. At the same time, when we say "that's Joe" we don't just mean "that's Joe," we mean the collection of information we relate with that person. For me names and titles are only important when you know nothing about someone.
There is another distinction that needs to be made which is that of a book versus life. In life we have that magical ability to associate large amounts of information with single words or phrases. In a book, however, the narrator cannot convey efficiently quite the same amount of information through the same single word/phrase. When the narrator first mentions Robert, he is simply "the blind man." He refers to Robert by something distinct about him. Once he shifts to calling him Robert, however, the reader can observe a shift in the narrator's perception of Robert. Despite this, I think that names are simply another way to identify people. In that way, I believe that a nickname is more significant than an actual name. It is a name we give a person that gives us more information about them than their actual name. In that way, I think that "my wife" and "the blind man" are the most important names in the story. While they may not seem like the most loving of titles, they convey information about the characters. In the same way, married couples often refer to each other by a nickname (stereotypical examples are honey, sweetie, etc) and only use their names when they are angry with one another or something along those lines. Then there is the use of "Bub" by Robert. From my perspective, while it may seem a more familiar way of addressing someone, it seems more of something along the lines of Gatsby's "old sport" than a specific nickname given to the narrator.
Something I learned over the summer was that, in deaf culture, people who learn sign language but are not deaf can be assigned a personal sign. When they first meet someone, they have to spell out their name. Once they have a relationship with a deaf person, the deaf person can give the non-deaf person a specific sign to represent them based on their personality, but the non-deaf person cannot give themselves a sign or force a sign on another deaf person. I think this is the perfect example of how names are simply a title that we make people use to represent the complex person that we are. Once you are more well acquainted with a person, their name loses its meaning as you begin to think of them as their personality which can more easily be expressed by a nickname.
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Post by rileyhatfield on Sept 16, 2013 2:45:14 GMT
I actually believe that names have a lot of significance in stories. If the author doesn't give a character a name, then usually the reader knows that that character doesn't have as much of a significant part in the story, therefore a lack of connection with that character. Not only in stories are names important, but also in life. To know someone by name is saying to that person that you care enough to remember their name out of all the names you could have learned. For example, it makes you feel good when you meet someone and the next time you encounter them they remember your name, but on the other hand, if you meet someone and encounter them multiple times and each time they forget your name, you know there is a lack of connection between you and that person. What I found in the story is that for me, I lacked connection with some of the characters because a lot of them did lack names. I couldn't put my finger on why until I read this prompt and understood the concept of knowing names. I believe Carver used only a few characters to have names so that we could connect with them specifically. He didn't want us to spend time on names that were not significant to the story.
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Post by cassiecumberland on Sept 16, 2013 2:51:30 GMT
I agree with Morgan R. when she says that leaving out all the other character's names adds to the emphasis of Robert, the blind man, and his voice and importance.
Maybe Carver leaving out the names of the others shows that Robert does not segregate people by looks, personality, or names, but he simply gives love and lessons to all. Robert is blind and doesn't identify the world like us, who see, do. Robert's mind is made up of self-thought images and that sort of senseless yet appreciative life style captivates the husband. Robert's mind is not cluttered nor consumed by the business around him, but by the appreciation for life and imagination.
Think about our lives, we are all given names yet we aren't necessarily given unique names- there are many "Cassies" in the world and many "Roberts". Robert's name juxtaposes his life because he is not like us who can see. The husband's lack of name juxtaposes Robert because he can see yet is nameless... maybe being nameless in the story symbolizes meekness. The husband is not enlightened, until the end, (but I had my eyes closed. I thought I'd keep them that way for a little longer. I thought it was something I ought to do" (108)) like Robert is-therefore he gets no name.
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Post by Lauren on Sept 16, 2013 2:59:28 GMT
Carter obviously gave Robert his name for a reason. He could have spent the whole story calling him The Blind Man and we would have understood it completely. I agree with Ruby that knowing someone’s name is one of the least necessary things to know about a person, but in our culture it’s regarded as one of the most required. Names are mankind’s way of distinguishing between one another. When introducing yourself or filling out forms your name is always the first thing they want, and then you can say more personal information. Carter however, explores the idea that names are for more than just labeling. In Cathedral the narrator’s low opinion on the blind man tries to convince the audience that Robert’s somehow subordinate to “regular” men. Carter counters that though, by giving Robert one of the most humanistic, relatable things: a name. This vast contrast between the narrator remaining unnamed and yet the outsider receiving a named shows the immense difference between the two men in the beginning of the story. However, as the story comes to an end, the narrator stops using identifiers all together. The last 14 lines of the story only consist of “he said”(108) and “His fingers rode my fingers”(108) bridging the gap between these two men and showing how they’re both human beings, able to learn and grow from each other.
*And I'm loving the Ting Tings reference
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Post by keelycorrigan on Sept 16, 2013 3:04:02 GMT
Ok, first off-- names are insurmountably significant to the human experience. We don’t live or die by them, true; but, they are undeniable blocks of our identities, ancestries, and cultures that it is only with very specific intent that we ignore them. To de-name someone is to dehumanize them. I’ll admit that that’s a pretty extreme way of thinking, but from my perspective (which is all that I have and I am therefore burdened by it) names are the underlying way that we assign significance to those around us. Not all beings get names (when’s the last time you named the cow whose flesh you guzzled?) and the beings that do have names are very selectively and meaningfully named.
This is why I found the treatment of names in Carver’s short story to be particularly troubling. The principal character and narrator does not name anyone—not even him—until he has an experience of empathy. Bub, as Robert calls him, does not mention a single name until he mentions Beulah, the dead wife of the man he irrationally dislikes. In the paragraph in which the narrator describes the love and death of Beulah and how the blind man’s blindness might have, in Bub’s eyes, hindered the relationship, Bub shows a kind of disjointed and partial empathy. The empathy is when he stops saying “blind man” and starts saying Robert, but this kindness partiality comes from his fixation on the condition of Robert and his devaluation of Robert and his marriage because of it. Bubs are being empathic but to an even greater extent as he sees this great and terrible flaw as not only one to the man but also a disservice to the man’s wife. His feelings are centered in able-ist bigotry—but his concern is empathetic and his intentions are good. Maybe? What do you guys think? How does the use of names in Carver’s story help show the evolution of the narrator’s sense of self in relation to others?
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