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Post by billfeng on Dec 14, 2013 6:04:28 GMT
Since we had no time to go over the new stories last class, affluenza and what not, let's have a discussion about "No One's a Mystery" right here!
What genre would you label the story under? You may use real genres, made-up genres, and Frankenstein amalgamations of genres.
I'll reserve my opinion for later. Have a good night everyone!
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Post by betsyrahe on Dec 14, 2013 23:57:00 GMT
I think the genre is Realistic Fiction, but that just seems too simple. So I'm gonna define that genre a little differently than normal. Not only is it about people doing normal day things and not flying dragons in a magic land, but they are facing realistic situations. The unfortunate truth is, people do cheat on their spouses with younger people and I think it is extremely realistic that one of them is in a daydream about it. The girl thinks they will end up together, she says, "In a year I'll write,'Jack should be home any minute now. The table's set-my grandmother's linen and her old silver and yellow candles left over from the wedding."(247) She's being very unrealistic about the situation, but Jack is not. He's a downer but he's honest. He knows that in a year it'll be over because he knows he won't divorce his wife. So for me this is realistic fiction because the characters discuss a real life problem and have the dichotomy of realistic verses the daydreamer or "fiction" aspect.
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Post by moreno on Dec 15, 2013 0:49:24 GMT
I agree with Betsy, but I would also add that "No One's a Mystery" could be classified as a Coming of Age story. Although we are still young and many of us have yet to expirience a serious relationship, I think most of us can relate to the girl's fantasy. We put a lot of hope into our relationships. We think and say things like "love" and "forever," but little do we know, this person in our lives is an easily forgettable name 10 years down the road. This naiivity is highlighted in the story by the age difference between the girl and the man. She is still at the point in her life where the reality of love is distant. He, on the other hand, has lived long enough to know that their relationship will only ever be a secret affair. This story has been told in numerous Coming of Age novels, and every time, it ends the same. Like so many other stories under this genre, the girl will eventually realize that dreams and fantasies are for music, books and the imagination. That is when she, and all of us, will have grown up.
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Post by Lauren on Dec 15, 2013 2:58:30 GMT
I think there's something extra about this story that makes calls for a more specific genre than "realistic fiction". I call it "Truth". In realistic fiction, the story is something that Could happen, whereas in Truth its a story that would happen. If the couple ends up getting married and having a perfect family, then it would have been simply realistic fiction. The honest aspect, in the story, of the difference between what we wish for and what we know is true, makes the story become a true reality instead of 'kinda realistic'.
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Post by juliamoreland on Dec 15, 2013 16:50:56 GMT
I agree with Morgan that this definitely is a coming of age story. With the loss of her innocence, and realization of the reality that awaits her, the narrator is stuck trying to find a balance between her dreams and depressing reality. Although, Coming of age seems too simple and common for such a complex story. I see so many balancing acts in this novel. Jack gives her a diary, meant to remember, even though he expects to be forgotten. The narrator’s innocence and fascination with the “butterfly of dust” makes her seem so naïve and contrasting to Jack’s cynicism. I would call this story a "realistic balancing act," because in reality, good and bad, naïve and cynical, dreams and depression all exist in every individual. It’s the balancing act between all these emotions that makes reality real.
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Post by kevinle on Dec 15, 2013 17:03:50 GMT
Bill, you didn't post your reserved-for-yesterday opinion.
Genres create general expectations for texts. When I hear mystery, I expect a quest to find an answer. When I hear nonfiction, I expect an informative piece of text. When I hear sci-fi, I expect space ships and aliens. If I hear realistic fiction, I wouldn't think of anything like "No One's a Mystery." NOaM needs a genre of more specificity, because realistic fiction could hypothetically contain stories under love, mystery, adventure, etc. Because there is love in NOaM, I would place it under some form of love. But because it doesn't seem like the love in NOaM is true, honest love... I'd put an adjective in front of "love." False love? Conflicting love? Or how about foggy relationships. Whatever the genre's name is, it needs to refer to the relationships and the tension.
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Post by Lacey Doby on Dec 15, 2013 19:17:26 GMT
"Coming of age" seems to be an appropriate genre from this story. Jack call the narrator a little kid multiple times and then he tries to introduce her to the reality of the world as opposed to her childish fantasies. She doesn't seem particularly convinced though, which is why I'm tempted to call this a "Time Capsule" piece. This story reminded me a bit of "Our Town" because it is a brief moment in time that appears to be a simple conversation between two people, but is actually quite profound if seen from a future perspective. The meaning of the conversation will change entirely for these two people in three years or so, just as Jack suggests by imagining what things the narrator will say about him once time has passed and how there will be a disconnect between the emotions of the moment and the reality of passing time.
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Post by anaritter on Dec 15, 2013 21:58:53 GMT
I agree with Lacey in that "No One's a Mystery" is similar to "Our Town" because it's told from a kind of omniscient point of view and it shows a general trend and pattern that normalizes over time in a variety of cases of human nature. I was just doing my statistics homework and there's a principle that says that the variability of data points becomes less as more data points are added, and the data comes closer to the mean over time. This kind of reminds me of the perspectives on human nature presented in "Our Town" and "No One's a Mystery" which, to me, are similar in attitude. All of humankind, which obviously varies immensely much, can ultimately be narrowed down to one "mean", one "average" plotline that we all (or at least, the vast majority of us) seem to fit. The author takes that immensity of differences and trims it all down to one generalization. Because of this, I would say that "No One's a Mystery" is almost a formulaic work of literature, the mean of an immense number of human observations over time.
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Post by jennyxu on Dec 16, 2013 0:57:25 GMT
Rather than "realistic fiction", this story is best categorized as "reality fiction". It is interesting that the innocent, young girl narrates the story, but the older, more grounded in reality, man says the last line. And since the story is told in past tense, it feels that the narrator receives a rude awakening after the man utters the last line that shifts her perspective. Also contributing to the "reality" is the conflict between romance and truth. The story presents two very different views of the same situation. From the story, it seems that the truth overpowers the romance, since the man puts forward his thoughts after the girl and ends the story, so we never see if the girl is able to object to his ideas, which follows the nature of real life. It adds a layer of tragedy, in the loss of innocence, as the girl cannot regain her fantasies of romance and must face the truth.
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Post by patricktbutenhoff on Dec 16, 2013 1:13:41 GMT
"No One's a Mystery" is a coming-of-age story, but it's also a love story. The central plot, like that of "Hills Like White Elephants," revolves around a couple who discuss problems caused by their two different philosophies regarding life, but another major factor in the story is age. The narrator holds a youthful, naive perspective regarding love. She dreams that John will suddenly decide to divorce his wife and marry her instead. Ironically, she believes wholeheartedly in his loyalty to her, even though he has already proven that he is disloyal by having an affair in the first place. Jack, with his older, pragmatic point of view regarding their relationship, points out the crippling fallacies in the narrator's idea of the future. For example, he observes that "[Eliza's] breath would smell like your milk [rather than vanilla], and it's kind of a bittersweet smell, if you want to know the truth" (247). The problem is that the narrator doesn't want to know the truth. She wants to believe in her fairytale future, even if it isn't practical or even possible. Jack forces her to grow up: he makes her see the future world as it almost certainly will be. This is another example of the "old age devouring youth" concept we touched on in class. Jack's mature cynicism confronts--and will eventually erode--the narrator's youthful optimism. The theme of coming of age features prominently in "No One's a Mystery" in the context of a romance.
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Post by Kasey on Dec 16, 2013 3:22:59 GMT
Genre: Probably happening 100 times around the world right now.
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Post by stever on Dec 16, 2013 3:47:33 GMT
Patrick brings up a good point -- this short story is difficult to classify into a specific genre because it is fits into two competing genres. Like the other story we read, "Happy Endings," this story does not have a definite ending. Instead, we are presented with options for endings: the narrator's proposed "happy ending" and Jack's more realistic, cynical ending. I think the reason we are jumping to label this as a coming-of-age story, despite the fact that we do not see the narrator lose her innocent nature, is because of our skepticism of so-called "happy endings" and our assumption that the biblical notion of a fall from innocence is inevitable. We also see this fall as inevitable because of Jack's seedy nature; after all, Jack pushes the narrator to the dirty floor of his pickup to avoid having his wife spot her -- this does not seem like a positive beginning to the relationship of which the narrator dreams. We assume that, as the title suggests, Jack and the narrator are not a mystery, and their future is already apparent even though we know nothing about them except for the brief glimpse of them we see from the story. But, is this story trying to definitively state that no one is a mystery, or is it trying to question that very assumption? We are faced with a zero ending, where we do not see the narrator mature or lose her optimism, yet we assume that she does. Do people naturally evolve to a state of cynicism as they mature, and is this cynicism necessarily any wiser? While I understand the idea that this is a coming-of-age story, the future of these characters after the ending is a mystery. What is not a mystery, however, is that the narrator is in love. Although this strays far from of typical notions of a love story, the story is about love and is narrated from the perspective of a woman who is deeply in love.
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Post by emilybrinkmann on Dec 16, 2013 17:40:22 GMT
I liked what lmo was saying about this being a truth story. For me truth is coming of age, it is when a new light is shed on the world. In "No Ones mystery" everyone can relate, or at least a majority of teenagers who believe they have fallen in love and feel that they have learned from it. I like that Morgan classified this as a coming of age story but for me even more important to the title of the genera is the thoughts and writing that we associate with this story. We all are now experiencing the conundrum of life decisions. Jack shows this in a very "romantic" way. Overall the story is too three dimensional to try to fit into a two dimensional category, but I would classify it as a romantic coming of age that shows the impact of growing up and having to face real decisions.
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Post by mitralebuhn on Dec 16, 2013 20:31:35 GMT
I have a hard time calling this a coming of age story. I see the logic, and I understand that perspective, but for me, when I think of a coming of age tale I think a more elaborate plot. This story is so short and the setting so static, and I'm not sure I see a fall of innocence in the girl. Yes there is a contrast between her idealistic, naive perspective of her and Jack's "relationship," but I'm not sure she has a stark and dramatic change of perspective after hearing his realistic words. She is disillusioned and hopeful, and less dynamic than the typical lead of a coming of age tale. So, I would argue that this story simply fits in the genre of romance. I say this because of the great amount of dissonance between Jack and his mistress. This story comments on relationships, and they are a good depiction of two individuals who spend time together and "do stuff" vs. a shared relationship, as well as the complicated nature of love. It shows the difference between being invested in yourself (Jack's personality) and being invested in a another (Jack's "other girl"). "No One's a Mystery" shows the bitter-sweetness of hope, as the Jack's final statement touches upon.
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Post by cassiecumberland on Dec 16, 2013 21:51:05 GMT
I think that the genre is realistic fiction. I disagree that this is a "coming of age" story because we see no resolve within the story. I would say that this story would be a psychological romance because we get the naive psyche of the narrator and the "scum bag" psyche (justification) of Jack WHILE having the fantastical romance between the two.
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