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Post by yongkim on Feb 12, 2014 8:22:04 GMT
A lot of respect gained for Branagh after watching his adaptation!
When we watched Branagh's ghost scene a week ago, I thought his adaptation was over dramatic, especially with the cinematic effects and vibrant colors. However, I thought that Branagh's dramatic soliloquy was brilliant. He was able to exude raw emotion while his delivery eloquent and passionate. One thing that I particularly enjoyed was his constant movement. Until he slams his fists into the window, Branagh did not stand still for a single moment which particularly expressed his tremendous frustration. Branagh's soliloquy matched my own interpretation of this scene in Hamlet.
Tennant's adaptation is most definitely unique. I think Adam summed it up well... Tennant's interpretation is more theatrical. His movements are sedentary towards the beginning of the soliloquy as well as very dramatic (more theater-like) toward the end. Especially when he broke the fourth wall, I was convinced this interpretation of Hamlet was more for the stage than for film. Though it is a interesting choice, I did not like the wardrobe. I think the age of Hamlet perfectly matches what I imagined; however, that fake ab t-shirt and the jeans just don't do it for me. The main reason why I enjoyed Branagh's soliloquy was because of the rage within his speech, but I was not able to feel that same anger in Tennant's adaptation.
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Post by patricktbutenhoff on Feb 12, 2014 14:51:19 GMT
I actually liked both versions; both Branagh and Tennant seem at home with their parts and language in this scene.
Branagh's version of the soliloquy is pretty formal, especially when compared to Tennant's tee-shirt-and-jeans speech. I will say, however, that Branagh's Hamlet seems very immature; similarly to his sarcastic comments in the first scene we watched not befitting his age, the image of Hamlet going to a big, fancy office and basically throwing a temper tantrum resounded oddly with me. Branagh's a good actor, though; he does a good job of expressing Hamlet's emotion and the contrast between his shaky mental state and the difficult, brutal task he's been "assigned." I recognize and respect the aspect of pacing around his room and talking to himself in an attempt to get his thoughts straightened out because I do the same thing (albeit with less violence) when I'm upset. That said, I probably won't continue to do that when I'm 30. Branagh's interpretation is talented, historically authentic, and similar to what I had imagined, but I still don't think that his interpretation of Hamlet as a scowling teenager befits his age as an actor.
David Tennant's version of the soliloquy was interesting, to say the least. As some people mentioned earlier, he seems like he's playing a younger character than he is. The tee-shirt and jeans might work with a younger actor, but on Tennant (whom I keep thinking of as the Doctor) they don't. I'm also not sure I like the setting. The security camera and costuming indicate a more modern version of Hamlet, but that isn't visible anywhere in the room where Hamlet makes his speech. The contrast between the baroque furniture and the colorful Hamlet is unsettling; maybe it's on purpose, but I don't care for it. The echoes in the first part of the speech also, I believe, detracted from the overall effect. I feel that this speech works better in a small, confined area like Branagh's that reflects Hamlet's own trapped situation. In the first soliloquy, I loved that such a deep character was constrained to a small office; I wasn't able to get this feeling in the second. Also, the music at the end felt artificial and altogether out of place. Appearances aside, however, Tennant's acting is excellent. He really does seem like a man slowly going insane rather than an upset child. The speech is delivered well, with emphasis on all the right parts and the tone perfect. The part where Hamlet approaches the camera is disturbing, but that seems to be the point. While the setting of the stage in Tennant's Hamlet didn't work for me, his speech itself is phenomenal.
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Post by jessicapollard on Feb 12, 2014 18:39:00 GMT
Above all, David Tennant's lack of shoes really distracted me from establishing a connection to that version of this scene.
In all seriousness, I preferred Branagh's version as it felt more Shakespearean to me. I appreciated the way in which the words were almost forced out of his mouth, as though he couldn't believe himself. His blocking in the scene, however, felt really awkward. Towards the ending as he backs into the corner, I sensed Branagh coming out of character a lot.
David Tennant's version was really embarrassing for me to watch. Not only his shoelessness, but his dorky shirt and eye contact with the camera all felt forced and weird.
The way that both of them handled the text was really fascinating, and I appreciated the differences of age and pace.
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Post by Anna M. on Feb 12, 2014 21:06:39 GMT
I am not really completely content with either video. I can pick and choose things about each version that I really like and really dislike. In the Branaugh version, I think the Hamlet's fury was well timed as far as when it began, but his screaming rant lasted too long in the soliloquy and towards the end he was spitting the words out too fast for me to appreciate. Towards the end, Branaugh doesn't deliver the lines as if he just thought of an idea to prove his uncle killed his father. He deliver's Hamlet's plan with too much force and not enough thoughtfulness.
I agree with what other's have said about Branaugh's blocking being kind of unnatural. When he slams himself against the window/wall it seems like he is trying to be as gentle as possible with the set while still seeming furious. This is a distraction from Hamlet, and it made me very aware of the movements of the actor, not the movements of the character.
I prefer the way the Tennant delivered the lines, his temperament was acceptable and I especially appreciated how he slows down and speak more thoughtfully. His performance was more childlike and immature, but I see Hamlet as a younger man so I thought it fit well. I didn't like the eye contact with the camera. He seemed like he was reaching too hard for a connection that isn't there.
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Post by robertxu on Feb 14, 2014 4:04:27 GMT
Before I give my opinion I'm going to give a little bit about my background as a viewer. I do not watch many plays, nor do I read much Shakespeare outside of class.
With that being said I am not a fan of Branagh's overacting. His exaggerated delivery of prose and hand gestures make him seem out of touch to the average viewer. Like Parris said in class, Shakespeare's works have inevitably evolved over the years and it seems like a cop out to include every single line. Personally Branagh's passion and intensity does work for me. Less is more. I would be more interested in seeing an actor conveying the same internal conflict and pent up anger with less lines and blocking.
David Tennant seems to have the opposite problem. One could say that he is "underacting". I really like David's casual clothing, it provides a contrast to the dark and golden ornate background and creates a surreal effect. I feel it is inherently a very metea decision because David Tennant's out of place clothing symbolizes how modern day readers feel in Hamlet's world. His clothing makes him "pop" and draws attention to him. Furthermore it helps me relate to Hamlet. While some people in our class complained about David Tennant looking like he didn't necessarily "understand" every line of Shakespeare, but I really appreciated his delivery. He did not have distracting hand gestures or facial expressions like Branagh, nor did he overemphasize the prose. Him breaking the fourth wall was also very powerful, it was a great way to keep the audience's attention, while it hard to stay focused during Branagh's version.
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Post by shannonfender on Mar 28, 2014 0:54:24 GMT
From a strict "performance" standpoint, David Tennant is much more convincing in his portrayl of the scene. That's not to say that the Branaugh version -isn't- good, but what sets the two apart is that Tennant times his emotional outburst well. His inflection and pacing made him sound troubled and on the verge of insanity, which I definitely thought was fitting for Hamlet. Branaugh, on the otherhand, is a bit pedantic in his pacing and stylistic choices. When he bangs on the bookshelf and throws himself into the window, it feels calculated rather than a spontaneous overcome-with-emotion response. Both, however, are successful in conveying Hamlet's frustration and confusion in the scene.
However, one of the things I can't fully appreciate about the Tennant version is the modern setting. If a director decides to put a classic work in a new setting, the decision should reveal some intrinsic quality of the text. What exactly is the purpose behind the teenage-angsty-modern version of Hamlet other than showing that these themes are universally applicable? Isn't that already inherent within the text itself? Hamlet is a very theatrical work, so simply transposing the words into a modern setting feels somewhat like a cop-out... or at least like a half-hearted attempt to be profound and original. But make no mistake, I am not completely opposed to transforming old works into something new. Take for example Baz Luhrmann's version of Romeo and Juliet. I love this interpretation of Shakespeare because I feel like the modern setting is coupled with a sort of "hyper-reality" feeling that makes the message of the play more attainable to us. The fact of the matter is that the central conflict in both Romeo and Juliet and Hamlet is not something we often see in the modern day. However, the threadline between the works of Shakespeare and the modern day is the human condition. These themes are universal, and it is the director's job to make that theme attainable to the audience. For Romeo and Juliet, its the idea of infatuation and what that does to people. The hyper-reality feeling illuminates this idea and shows how irrational and crazy everything can seem. If you're going to try to do that with Hamlet, I feel as if it needs that hyper-reality sort of feeling as well in order to elevate it to Hamlet's dream-like (or at least irrational) state of mind. Simply putting Hamlet in a modern setting is sort of just like, "Look, we did it! Isn't Hamlet such a timeless and universal piece?". I feel like most of what I just wrote makes more sense to me than it will to anyone else, so I will leave it at that and move on.
What I can appreciate is Branaugh's adherence to the text. Like I said, I'm not a traditionalist, but what I think this version does is create a very straighforward interpretation of Hamlet that then has room to grow and be interpreted on a multiple of levels, rather than limiting it to just one interpretation. Cinemographically, this version of Hamlet is so extravegent and shocking (with coloring and scene shots and whatnot) that it almost achieves the hyper-reality thing I was talking about with Romeo and Juliet. It doesn't even need the modern setting because the hyper-reality makes it seem more realistic and attainable to the audience (which is counterintuitive, but it's as if the work itself is admitting that the situation isn't realistic...Which in turn makes it realistic and understandable...Okay I'm done sorry).
So yah. Props to both versions!
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Post by danyhong55 on Apr 5, 2014 5:10:07 GMT
My main criticisms for all of these versions is that Hamlet is much too old. I've always pictured him to be a rash, yet thoughtful young child with little inhibition, but a lot of insight. He is a walking paradox. Many times, Hamlet seems to be very quick-witted and very smart, but at the same time is wholly controlled by emotions and not rational thought. His quips with the King definitely shows that he has this air of "I'm smarter than you; look at all my witty puns." And whenever he bursts into rage, he comes down from the high and sees what a fools he's been for being in anger. The way that Branagh portrays Hamlet shows a lot more maturity in his inhibition and thoughtfulness that is much more stable than is what I imagined. He is much older persona that doesn't quite capture the brashness of Hamlet.
David Tennant, on the other seems much more genuine in his portrayal of Hamlet. As Sheridan mentioned, Tennant has a very thoughtful type of speech. The words he says are not a knee-jerk reaction. But more than Branagh, he adds almost a bit of confusion that seems more apropos for a character who has never experienced grief or death before, character who is just a teenager, just trying to figure who he is as a person. Tennant, also seems to be figuring out who Hamlet is and mindful of what he might be thinking and that adds an unintentional authenticity to his action.
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Post by steph on Jun 4, 2014 4:22:49 GMT
I much prefer the Tennant version, and I don't know what this says about my perception of mental collapses, but it felt more like reality. This ability for that monologue to feel more real is very important, because the play needs any bit of humanity it can get amongst its tragedy and portrayal of distinct flaws in humans. The monologue is an opportunity for expression and reasoning to the warped and potentially alienating pieces of the play, so having an actor that stares into your face as they try to explain their own madness is a great way to connect. Branagh does seem to have more sincere respect for the fundamental role of the monologue, so paying attention to the words rather than just the character is a substantial plus to his rendition.
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Post by avinash on Jun 4, 2014 6:07:16 GMT
Let me start with Branagh’s acting. Though he was good at what he was trying to do: show Hamlet’s anger and frustration, his entire premise was off. At least this was true for the way I envisioned Hamlet. For me, I always saw Hamlet as a spontaneous character who didn’t think before he acted. Branagh makes Hamlet an emotionally deep character instead of a “crazy” one. This is the main qualm I have with this film.
That being said, I preferred the Tennant version. This portrayal of Hamlet seemed more true to the way I interpreted the text. When you watch Hamlet you would actually think he is crazy. When reading you can definitely see the crazy aspects of Hamlet’s character. And in general the portrayal of Hamlet just seems more genuine. To me I felt that Branagh forced his acting and had an agenda that he was overly concerned about.
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Post by chrisb on Jun 4, 2014 6:07:55 GMT
steph is on point when it comes to this discussion. The Tennant version is most dope. S/O to Hamlet for being a homie!
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Post by billfeng on Jun 4, 2014 7:17:45 GMT
From a stylistic perspective, I find David Tennant's rendition of the scene to be the far-more appealing and genuine portrayal of the Hamlet I envisioned in my head. In the same sense I appreciate Mel Gibson's version (don't hate me!), I like Tennant for his portrayal of a youthful, irascible man who is as overwhelmed by the environmental forces as he is combative against them. Branagh definitely plays a much more critics-want-to-eat-this-stuff up Hamlet with his snooty portrayal of a character with speedy wit - there's this feeling of sophisticated detachment in Branagh's acting that severs my connection to Hamlet's human emotion. Also, the rapidity of Branagh's recitation throws me a little off. Though I find it to be a valiant effort for Branagh to use every single line from the play, I don't think some of the language translates well into the current day - which doesn't help when combined with Branagh's elevated aesthetic performance. chrisb is spot on! Tennant is mostest!
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Post by hannahboe on Jun 4, 2014 11:55:55 GMT
I think I am in agreement with many of you. Tennant's performance is "better" than Branagh's at least in terms of the emotional honesty of the character. The Branagh version carries an air of "This is me, trying to be the realest Hamlet EVER. I am SOOO INTENSE." But I connect quite a bit more with Tennant's frustration and lack of pretentiousness. Tennant portrays Hamlet as a real human being and gives a realistic representation of the urgency/frustration/fear/anxiety of the situation. While the actors themselves carry much of the role, their surroundings (in terms of production) also dictate the way they play the character. Branagh's careful, perfectionist presentation of Hamlet's struggle, while not matching what I imagine Hamlet's reaction to be, is in line with the rest of the adaptation - powerful monarchy living in a shiny castle and acting oh so proper (usually...). Tennant's wild/frazzled performance is aided by his ability to interact with his environment (breaking props that Branagh wouldn't be using) and play directly to the camera. His monologue comes off as much more stream-of-consciousness and less rehearsed - in the acting world it's all about acting and reacting to other characters in the situation. You want to see the characters have a conversation, not the actors reciting lines and you want to see exactly what the character is feeling. In these respects, Tennant did it better.
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Post by Marshall on Jun 4, 2014 17:00:39 GMT
The Tennant version offers a more recent setting but is still profound, much like Polanski’s Macbeth, if you remember sophomore year. Branagh went all out for this one. His loyalty to the original play may have ruined the scene though. The text is just far too dense to maintain the level of suspense his direction wanted to. You can’t rush hushed lines like that. I do appreciate the cinematography though. I we could blend the Tennant and Branagh versions, I think it would provide what both are missing. The direction and setting of Branagh’s, but Tennant acting. There are other scenes in Branagh’s that I really enjoyed, which prove his adequacy as a director. The shot of Hamlet alone in the throne room, for example. A large part of both production’s quality was probably money, and from that I’m guessing Branaugh has more.
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Post by travistoal on Jun 4, 2014 20:01:00 GMT
While I have a distilled hatred for Mel Gibson as a person, and mostly as an actor, I found that I liked parts of his performance. It was more gloomy and, in ways, more true to my initial vision of the play than the Branagh version. However, both pale in my eyes to the Tennant version. Partially fueled by my love for Harry Potter and (seasons 2-4 of) Dr. Who, I was enthralled by Tennant's frantic portrayal of Hamlet. He seems like he is truly reacting to the world around him, coming to the thoughts in his head, rather than snobbily reciting them.
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