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Post by jamiezimmerman on Dec 11, 2013 7:30:56 GMT
Connie has no experience of adult life because no one has ever been there to prepare her for it. She is surrounded by people in the suburbs but literally isolated in her home life. Her dysfunctional relationship with her mother competes for the non-existent attention of her father, and her only vision of the future is not being her sister. She finds her values where she can, and since no one has taught her otherwise, she forms her values on the things that make her feel good - her beauty and the boys who admire it. Connie has taught herself her morals based on the instant gratification she feels. Her mechanism for deciphering right and wrong is anything that makes her feel loved, adored, and appreciated. She wants to engage in the ever-changing and exciting city life, and she views the events of the 60s with jealousy. I think Connie might take her moral foundation from iconic 60s events. She idealizes the political turmoil and civilian unrest as patriotic and righteous change - but she really doesn't understand, maybe in her tender age of fifteen, that there was much more to the 60s than sex, drugs, and rock and roll. The music that she listens to glosses over the substantial unhappiness and "bad things" of real-life, disillusioning her from any realistic imagination of her future. Connie would have adored Woodstock, but would have hated it coming home from a weekend of possible sexual violence and bad drug trips.
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Post by jennyxu on Dec 11, 2013 7:41:30 GMT
Connie's mother unconsciously establishes Connie's sense of identity through her envy of Connie's beauty. Because her mother constantly scolds her about it, Connie thinks of her beauty as her dominating feature. She even mentions that her mother probably prefers her over June, because she is more beautiful than June. Since she perceives her beauty as the only quality that can win her mother's affections, since this is the only area that she obviously exceeds June in, she projects this idea onto other people she comes in contact with, which explains her need to use her beauty to attract boys. The lack of guidance is in terms of her lack of knowledge about her beauty's danger, unwanted attention. Because she lacks attention at home, she desires any boy that bestows attention upon her, so I cannot blame her for talking to Arnold. In her isolated environment, surrounded by "simple" and "plain" people, she would not know of danger like Arnold. I feel like rather than compensate for her lack of guidance, her surroundings and accidental guidance from her mother directly drives her actions.
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Post by coreybrown on Dec 11, 2013 7:43:03 GMT
I totally agree that Connie seeks to construct her own morals and identity through her exploits with her friends. Her lack of guidance at home has made her morality fall into their hands (and the hands of the boys they seek). I disagree, however, with some of the assertions about her mother. While it's clear that her father might as well not even be in her life and June is by no means a good role model for Connie, her mother isn't as bad as all that. They do share a connection, however small, and I can't help but feel that, though some of Connie's preoccupation with looks may have something to do with her mother (a point we touched on in class based on eras), her mother is responsible for some of the misgivings Connie might feel about the route she is taking. I think it's pretty clear, however, that Connie is attempting to develop her identity as best she can based on who appreciates her, hence the lean towards sexuality. Her persona with her friends is one to attract their attention and complements, whereas her appearance at home is very different. While some of that may come from the fact that being promiscuous at home would be frowned upon, I also think she has developed home as a place where she can just be, chill out, listen to music, etc. whereas going out with friends is an exploration into something just out of reach (adulthood). If we think about the dream theory in this aspect, I think it's only fitting that her adventurous love life follows her home. I think this shows that, somewhere, she does care about her family quite a bit as well as her home and the fact that the initially appealing ideal of boys paying attention to her turns quite dark as her misgivings come to the surface as Arnold threatens her home and her family.
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Post by carolinedorman on Dec 11, 2013 7:53:55 GMT
To me, it seems as if Connie is not compensating for her lack of guidance, but rather she is acting upon her poor guidance. Whether it was intentional by the mother or not, Connie was brought up to believe that beauty is the most important quality. From Connie’s point of view, her mother’s disapproval “did not really mean she disliked Connie, and actually Connie thought that her mother preferred her to June just because she was prettier”(Oates 3). This ideology leads Connie to place her self worth in her appearance. She is able to redeem this worth by gaining appreciation and attention from boys. Connie is not necessarily brought up with definite morals, but she is impacted by a skewed set of values. Without her appearance, Connie is inferior to June in every way. This guidance creates her to value her beauty above all else. Thus, her identity becomes synonymous with her beauty and sexuality and this impacts how she develops (or fails to develop) morality.
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Post by patricktbutenhoff on Dec 11, 2013 13:01:08 GMT
Identity is something that must largely be established on one's own, and for Connie this is especially true. Her mother usually just fights with her, her sister's the exact opposite of what Connie wants to become, and her father is almost a nonentity in the story. She also doesn't have any larger group to fall back on; she isn't part of any organized religion, and she can't truly be a part of the cultural revolutions in New York and Los Angeles from her suburban home in Nowhere, USA. Because she doesn't seem to have any external environmental sense guiding her identity, she has to define it by herself through her own thoughts and actions.
Connie obviously needs a list of traits to gather a sense of who she is. But with no good role models to turn to who can help to tell her who she is, she needs to take a look at herself--in Connie's case, literally. She salvages what little meaningful information she can get out of her conversations with her mother, and the thing she finds to be most important in her mother's eyes is beauty. Oates writes, "Her mother had been pretty once too, if you could believe those old snapshots in the album, but now her looks were gone and that was why she was always after Connie" (614). When Connie looks at her mother, she sees a woman who was once young and pretty and happy but has decayed into a hypercritical, angry wreck. Is she really at fault for looking at this and at her plain, uninspired sister and determining that beauty and youthful vivacity are what she should strive to achieve? The only times Connie's mother pays attention to her regard beauty, and so Connie gravitates toward that idea. Corresponding with this, Connie seeks out other people who will primarily appreciate her for her looks: in other words, boys not interested in committed relationships. Another driving force behind this is Connie's gender. She lives in a society where very little is expected of women besides beauty, and she understands from her mother that beauty is fleeting. With no male role models and no external forces of guidance to govern her, Connie is chiefly surrounded by weak women. Of course this isn't going to make her want to go to college and earn a six-figure salary because there's nobody in her life who even represents that idea. When Connie looks at herself, she looks at how other people view her, observes that beauty seems to be the main aspect of her personality, and proceeds to spend her entire life trying to maximize her attractiveness and interact with individuals who will respect her for that attractiveness. Connie's values are driven by her identity; once she determines that Connie is a girl who is attractive, she decides to become the best Connie she can be.
From there, her actions further develop her identity. She goes from "the girl who is beautiful" to "the beautiful girl who goes to the hamburger joint several times a week and picks up boys." Oates uses the following wonderful metaphor to get her point across: at the restaurant, "the music was always in the background like music at a church service, it was something to depend upon" (615). The burger restaurant becomes Connie's church, her friends her role models. Initially seeking an outlet for the one thing her distanced family notices about her (her beauty), Connie synthesizes an entire personality revolving around independence and promiscuity. Once she establishes this identity, she creates a corresponding moral code. Connie's lack of guidance ultimately results in an individual based on vanity and sex because that's all she has to hold on to.
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Post by robertxu on Dec 11, 2013 17:13:50 GMT
Connie's relationship with her parents can be perfectly explained when Oates writes "He didn't bother talking much to her... Connie wished her mother was dead and she herself was dead and it was all over" (Oates 614). Connie's father is not involved in Connie's life in any form, while her mother's emotionally abusive treatment of her has negatively impacted Connie in terms of the development of her morality and identity. Connie tries to compensate for her lack of guidance by indulging herself in popular culture which at the time largely consisted of materialism, vainness, and debauchery. I would even go as far as to label some of her actions as hedonistic, but I would not necessarily say that she is a hedonist. Steve makes a great point when he draws an analogy between the feeling of warmth and love that she Connie from drawing the attentions of boys and listening to music. However, her pursuit of physical pleasures is more of a product of her environment than her personal preferences. Connie is very confused. For example, while she enjoys the company of boys, Oates writes, "But al the boys fell back and dissolved into a face that was not even a face, but an idea, a feeling..." (Oates 616). Clearly Connie is searching for something deeper through her "relationships" but is settling for what I would characterize as a "temporary high". If her parents simply provided her with guidance in terms of morality and identity in the form of love and affection she would not be searching for an emotional substitute for love.
Furthermore, Connie's confusion has lead her to adopt a policy of "Carpe Diem". This defiantly independent, yet incredibly indecisive/confused state of Connie made her an easy victim for Arnold Friend. When Arnold Friend shows up at her doorstep, even though she knows deep down that something is a little off, her curiosity and need to "live on the edge" overpowers her caution. Oates writes, "She couldn't decide if she liked him or if he was just a jerk..." (Oates 617). Her mother's treatment of her, her lack of adult role-models, her friends, and the free-culture of the '60s have instilled in Connie a need to constantly rebel. This quality of Connie ultimately seals her fate as when she runs into Arnold Friend. Accepting the theory that it was "all just a dream" it is possible that her interaction with Arnold Friend was Connie's subconscious warning her of the dangers of her lifestyle. Since her environment does not provide Connie with guidance in terms of morality and identity, she has to rely on her intuition.
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Post by abbylyons on Dec 11, 2013 20:18:55 GMT
No humans grow up with an absolute lack of guidance. Connie is influenced by her mother’s emphasis on appearances and her father’s absence from her life. She’s influenced by the attention of boys. She’s influenced by loud music and the glamour of urban life. The reader can readily point out the many negative aspects of Connie’s life and claim that they caused her to become promiscuous and rebellious. But what happened to the idea of accountability? It’s so easy for a person to point to other people for causing his problems. In the same way, Connie isn’t entirely free of responsibility; it’s all too easy to blame Connie’s parents and the environment she grew up in. Ultimately Connie is the one making decisions for herself. In fact, humans are innately able to make wise decisions that will benefit them in the future. In ancient times, this meant that humans were able to calculate how much food they should store during the winter to avoid starvation. In modern times, this means that Connie is able to make good choices for herself regardless of her morality and upbringing. She is fully in control of her decision-making; she simply thinks that fitting in to the rebellious culture of the 60s is more important than making mature choices.
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Post by avinash on Dec 11, 2013 20:27:15 GMT
Connie has no support system. As we covered in class, most people rely on their families for support. Connie doesn’t have a family that is even remotely relatable or supportive. Connie shuns the actions and personalities of her family members. About June, she says, “she was so plain and chunky and steady that Connie had to hear her praised all the time by her mother and her mother's sisters.” Connie describes June’s character and personality as being undesirable. In a weird way, she is able to concoct her own “guidelines” through her relationship, or lack thereof, with her family. Basically, in her family, she sees what she doesn’t want to be. Connie behaves in a way that is opposite to the way her family members act. From her mother Connie realizes that she must not get caught up in the past. “Her mother had been pretty once too, if you could believe those old snapshots in the album, but now her looks were gone and that was why she was always after Connie.” Connie and her mother have a contentious relationship. From her interaction with her mother, Connie learns to live in the moment.
In the quote above about June, Connie feels that June’s plainness is something that doesn’t deserve praise. Connie’s experiences that are described involve her interacting with foreign environments and exploring her curiosity. For example, Connie didn’t have to go to the door when she saw the car with Arnold approaching. But yet, her skewed guidance system implored her to pursue the unexpected unlike June. Also, instead of fearing the consequences of meeting an unknown stranger, Connie follows her instincts. Once again, this contrasts from her mother’s actions. When Connie was at the restaurant she felt an indescribable joy, “…her face gleaming with a joy that had nothing to do with Eddie or even this place; it might have been the music. She drew her shoulders up and sucked in her breath with the pure pleasure of being alive…” Here, we see that Connie really just appreciates the moment she is in. She doesn’t overanalyze her situation or where her joy comes from, she just accepts it. This is important to realize when trying to understand Connie’s relationship with boys. Her flirtatious nature serves as an exhaust valve; it is her opportunity to let loose and pursue a new, exciting experience. She knows that she doesn’t have this liberty when she is at home.
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Post by Anna M. on Dec 11, 2013 20:53:53 GMT
Without guidance, where does someone turn? With parent's that are aren't very present in Connie's life, it makes most sense that Connie should turn to her sister but she doesn't because June is too "plain". Connie gets involved in "high risk" activities like having a lot sex and talking to strangers as a way to ask for guidance. If she shows her parents how desperately she needs a moral compass, maybe they will try harder to give her one. On page 614, Connie get's frustrated with her mother's petty remarks and wishes "she herself was dead and it was all over." Connie's risk-seeking behavior is connected to the frustration she has with her home life. Everything she does asks for trouble, and she knows it. Going to a diner with where "older kids" hang out, having relations with boys in dark alleys, and going to the front door when a creepy car stops in front of her house. I think that Connie wants her parents to scold her about something that matters. She wants them to discipline her and establish some sort of moral code to live by.
I agree with the statement that Connie is a young girl who wants to be seen. While it is understood that girls at her age and in her time period wanted to be noticed by boys, I think more than anything Connie wants to be noticed by her parents and she thinks that the only way she can do this is by putting herself in situations that could be threatening to her.
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Post by mattagritelley on Dec 11, 2013 20:55:29 GMT
Connie is largely a product of her generation. Her attempt to compensate for her lack of guidance does not entirely stem from the dejection, itself, but rather from the influence of the nonconformist movement of the 1960s. Her father blends in to the background of her life, moving between his newspaper, work and the bedroom. Her mother incessantly criticizes her, wondering why she can't be like her "perfect" sister, June. This family dynamic causes Connie to latch on to the seductive beliefs of the time period and seek a means of support from the local boys in what Oates considers to be a "dance with the devil."
After meeting a boy by the name of Eddie, Oates describes, "She drew her shoulders up and sucked in her breath with the pure pleasure of being alive" (615). This illustrates the defense mechanism that Connie employs as well as its effectiveness in her life. This experimentation allows her to bury the dejection of her home life deep within her conflicted soul. In addition, sex seems to even further liberate Connie from her familial problems. The pleasure she receives from the adoration of boys and the thrills of sex compensate for her familial problems. Furthermore, this behavior is encouraged by the social movements of the time period.
Cassie argues that Connie thinks she knows better than what her parents tell her. However, after reading other anecdotes, such as Kevin and Amy's, I believe that this dynamic is instigated by an incomprehensible difference between parent and child. Believing in something that is different than what your parents believe in is something that allows for creative liberty and evolution within a family. Oates implies that this discrepancy is inherently evil; however, I actually sympathize with Connie because of that fact that her parents refuse to accept her and her differences.
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Post by Adrian Harter on Dec 11, 2013 21:02:15 GMT
Connie compensates for her lack of guidance by living a life in which she focuses her energy on temporary matters, not ones that bear any significance for her life in the future. The animosity between Connie and her mother has forced her to find catharsis through coquettish, and promiscuous, behavior, which she knows is in direct opposition to her family's binding expectations. Her behavior is not specifically geared to fuel the ailing relationship with her mother, instead, it serves to explore the dilemma of trying to live under one's own expectations when they are in reality irrelevant to the surrounding environment. Connie's pursuit of Arnold is more about how she wants to live than how she likes to live, but because her family's circumstances are so detestable, Connie cannot distinguish between the two ideas. This confusion can be seen when she first interacts with Arnold, as she is more than willing to give him the advantage in their conversations for immediate exchange of a lifestyle that does not exist in the world. Therefore, her identity is different for everyone she has a relationship with, but no true identity can ever be found.
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Post by travistoal on Dec 11, 2013 21:06:52 GMT
Connie's behavior stems not from a lack of guidance, but rather from a lack of acknowledgement. She receives guidance from a number of influences around her, such as her mother, her friends, and the songs on the radio. However, because her parents never notice her when she does what she likes, and she despises what her parents want for her future, she is lost in her adolescence. One part of her wants to please her family, or at the very least not disappoint them with her rebellion. This leaves her alienated from them, but still dependent upon her parents for shelter and transportation. The other side of her attempts to embrace adulthood and independence. Her head is filled with images of the glamour of sexuality and rebellion because of what she hears on the radio. Her and her friends simply want to feel strong, to feel like adults, so they go on their emotionless sexual escapades with strangers. Like the couple in "Hills Like White Elephants" drinking and seeing, Connie continues to go out every night in the deluded belief that having sexual encounters will make her feel mature and special, like the songs on the radio promise. Because of her inability to find happiness in adulthood or in familyhood, Connie splits herself between the two.
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Post by samwerner on Dec 12, 2013 14:07:55 GMT
I find that Connie is not completely in the dark in terms of morality and identity, but is without a clear guide. She uses the strains placed on her by the counter culture movement, as well as her personal ideas to guide herself. It is obvious that she is incredibly insecure, and prioritizes whatever activity or person makes her the happiest. Equipped with a nearsightedness that centers on aesthetics and emotional sentiment, Connie is guided not by parental figures or some higher form of morality but by existentialist tenets. Therefore, instead of realizing that she lacks a guide and looking for a way to find one, Connie seems to avoid the possibility of having a moral guide at all. She steers clear of her parents and rebels against the confines set by her parents' generation. By doing so, Connie's morals and identity remain unclear.
At face value, many took Connie for a risqué, maybe capricious character whose identity was as unclear as her morals. Digging a bit deeper, I find much of the common teen bestowed in her actions and reactions. The relatable line, for me, was when Connie and her friend admitted "it felt good" to turn a boy down. For some unknown, dark reason, I have experienced the same feeling, and I know many others have as well. That line prompted me to begin contemplating the subconscious world that David and Gary both touched on. I, too, have taken psychology and immediately thought of Freud's ego, superego, and id. From there, everything Connie did seemed to be an act of her subconscious; an exploration of dark thoughts and feelings she had that she was too scared to fully approach. Arnold Friend is the perfect character of subconscious thought because, in a similar way to the Oedipus complex, Connie's lack of a male parental guide may have left her yearning for older male approval (not daddy issues, promise). If Connie's actions are all approached with the idea that they are reactions to her subconscious self, her morals and identity are of little importance. Whether the story is all a dream or not does not matter, because Connie's actions can be looked at the same either way.
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Post by allegra on Dec 17, 2013 5:42:49 GMT
how does she compensate? She's got her own little church place restaurant thing that she and her friend go to to sing songs and whatnot. She listens to trashy music and enjoys being away from home, however immature that renders her. She compensates for her moral ugliness by attempting to make herself, aesthetically, beautiful.
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Post by adamgrace on Dec 19, 2013 5:04:02 GMT
Connie compensates by taking moral guidance where she can. She only knows what shes learned from popular music and magazine covers. She doesn't read nor attempt to educate herself. This is partly the parent's fault. Yet at the same time it is Connie's own fault. She doesn't understand that she can be so much more than a sex idol. She is absorbed in herself and how she looks the the point of disgusting narcissistic behavior. Much like Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho", Connie has become the essence of the stereotypical American consumer. She is almost alien-like in that she sees what humans like through media and their common behaviors and replicates that into her own personality. She's not as much of a human being as a robot programmed to suck in as much normal human behavior as possible and attempt to blend in. This is why, when presented with an interesting proposal from a foreign stranger, she is confused and chooses wrongly. She has never faced something like this before so she does what she thinks is right according to what she knows.
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