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Mar 31, 2014 5:25:38 GMT
Post by jennyxu on Mar 31, 2014 5:25:38 GMT
The author makes good points about The Heart of Darkness, though most of his arguments that show racism in the novel are fairly obvious. I think it is important that he addressed the possibility that Conrad tried to use satire in his descriptions of Africans and that Marlow's beliefs not necessarily reflects Conrad's. The descriptions of Africans in this novel are so exaggerated that I have a hard time not reading them as caricatures, but it does not excuse any racism on Conrad's part. The layers of narration failed to serve their purpose, for I felt like Marlow was still speaking on behalf of Conrad. The descriptions of the Africans, I agree with the author of this article, show Conrad's strange fascination without Africans as mystical beings rather than humans. And even if Conrad uses Africans as satire, it still cannot excuse the racism in the novel. As he points out, the dehumanization of Africans, to use them as tools to point out the ugliness of Europeans, is the most horrendous part of this novel. It is easy to say that the purpose of this book is to show the faults of European colonization and greed (and the book does do this job very well despite everything), which does give some value to the novel (even though Conrad seems to think otherwise), but inadvertently, the novel is also problematic because of its treatment of Africans as setting. I think, even without reading this article, we recognize this racism. But like he said, it is wrong to not point out the racism when reading this novel.
Basically, my point is that this book is worth reading as a commentary on both racism and the ugly side of European colonization, rather than Conrad's intention of it simply being about the latter.
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RACISM
Mar 31, 2014 15:12:52 GMT
Post by kevinle on Mar 31, 2014 15:12:52 GMT
As part of the civilization and savages motif group, I was thinking about how Conrad uses the word savage to describe things--these things could be an unknown "uncivilized" environment or people. It stems from a mixture of racism, which was normal during the time period, and ignorance. It is common for people to be prejudice and label things we do not know about or understand, because it provides a sense of authority and comfort. I think this behavior hasn't been uncommon in the history of humanity. Whenever a power group of people wanted to invade and control other lands for resources, or for the sake of power, they treat the natives as subordinates. While I feel it is wrong and utterly disrespectful, I feel the behavior almost stems from the nature of animals--survival of the fittest, show no mercy to those that oppose. Conrad was a product of this mindset, which caused him to write a racist book. It was the norm at the time. Whether one blames nature, society, or Conrad, it's up to him or her, but racism (prejudice in general) is a challenge every human has to be aware of and overcome. So I don't think Achebe's article is special for pointing out the racism in Conrad's novel. The racism is already apparent, and it's representative of the time period. It's offensive, but who does one blame? It's a philosophical question--is it society's fault for educating Conrad to have a racist mind, or is it Conrad's fault for not taking the initiative to change his own thinking?
HOD is like Avatar--I remember the war general dude calling the natives savages, animals that would not abandon old ways of living. The natives also lived on a land full of natural resources valued by the humans. The humans tried to spread human culture to civilize the natives and... it didn't work, and war erupted.
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RACISM
Mar 31, 2014 17:47:54 GMT
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Post by robertxu on Mar 31, 2014 17:47:54 GMT
I loved Achebe's article, and I agree that "Heart of Darkness" should probably not be taught in class. I'm assuming in many classes, people simply talk about how racist and imperialist Europeans were in the era in which it is written. However, the medium in which it is written presents a eurocentric view in itself. It does offers very little depth to the African characters in a novella that is supposed to be about AFRICA. The best case situation is that classes deconstruct the novel and read articles like the one written by Achebe. But I think it's better to simply read novels that expose students in America to the "real Africa" through primary sources and such. Teachers teach novellas like Heart of Darkness with good intentions: to teach imperialism/the colonization of Africa. But teachers need to factor how African American students might feel reading books that potentially isolate then from their white counterparts. In more ways than one Achebe is right in positing that using a novel written by a european racist to teach colonialism that focuses on Kurtz, using africa as a backdrop is counterproductive and reinforces a eurocentric view of the world.
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RACISM
Mar 31, 2014 19:24:33 GMT
Post by keelycorrigan on Mar 31, 2014 19:24:33 GMT
RANT WARNING! You have been warned. This article was eye-opening for me in the context of the book. The quote that most resonated with me was about the constant contrast between Europe and Africa:
“Quite simply it is the desire -- one might indeed say the need--in Western psychology to set Africa up as a foil to Europe, as a place of negations at once remote and vaguely familiar, in comparison with which Europe's own state of spiritual grace will be manifest.” (Paragraph #6)
Ugh! How disgustingly relevant this is even in a supposedly post Imperialist world. I saw this really interesting article the other day on Buzzfeed or Upworthy or one of those websites that talked about the current trend of “voluntourism” in which people, generally white and generally affluent, who visit an impoverished or third world country under the guise of finding meaning through aid. While the article went on to claim that such practices are harmful to the people and economies of those countries, what I found most intriguing was the topic. Why do Europeans and North Americans constantly see Africa as a location which they can unload charity or some of their guilt? I don’t know because these issues are very controversial and very significant even in modern day society. But isn’t that just it? Conrad’s novella is bleak and haunting and horrible, but I don’t think it is irrelevant.
I believe it is relevant and telling of racism in our world because of the number of times I have heard people refer to “African” as a language or Africa as a country or as Africans as some kind of global after thought. We are still carrying the racism and pro-Western “civilization” attitudes that are so rampant in Heart of Darkness. This is very, very distressing and it really must be discussed, as this article does.
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RACISM
Apr 3, 2014 15:36:41 GMT
Post by jessicapollard on Apr 3, 2014 15:36:41 GMT
Often, like Rachel, I have issues blaming people for being victims of their time. It's somewhat unfair of us to expect Conrad to be the one to break the racist barriers of the past, or so I thought until I realized how much opportunity that Conrad, of all people, had to do exactly that. This man travelled to Africa, something that many prejudiced people of his time never actually did. He had the opportunity to establish the differences between the animalistic light that Europeans had painted the Congolese and the true nature of the Congolese. When he (or Marlow?) does finally realize their humanity, he realizes it with this uncomfortable mixture of disgust and wonderment. Conrad writes, "... but what thrilled you was just the thought of their humanity-like yours-the thought of your remote kinship with this wild and passionate uproar. Ugly" (31). This far along in his thought, I'm feeling as though I can excuse Marlow for the way he comes to his realization... until I get to this next sentence, which I've realized after reading Achebe's article is incredibly arrogant and assholeish. " Yes, it was ugly; but if you were a man enough you would admit to yourself that there was in you just the faintest trace of a response to the terrible frankness of that noise, a dim suspicion of their being a meaning in it which you-you so remote from the night of first ages-could comprehend" (31). Wow Marlow, how big of you. So forward thinking of you, to acknowledge that people different from you are somehow still people. I, being a semi-regular Tumblr browser, have experienced the incredibly interesting phenomenon of social justice blogs. Heart of Darkness brings to mind the fragile pulls between white guilt and actual awareness of equality. By wording things the way he has, Marlow (or Conrad??) has still managed to put himself on pedestal for being aware enough to realize the human qualities in the Congolese. It's a little bit 'white savior'-ish, really. At the same time, Marlow (Conrad?) treats Kurtz with the same bizarre amalgamation of wonder, disgust and confusion. It always seems, however, that Kurtz is judged for his person, not his race or any other circumstance beyond his control. A side note: I'm really glad Achebe's article exists, and while I agreed with a lot of the article, the sore thumb was his point about Condrad's use of the word 'black'. It feels like an incredibly forced argument, and I as an author would not want to be persecuted for using a word that may not have conscious or even subconscious racial connotations. I found Achebe's strongest arguments to be grounded in the text of HOD or in the examination of readers and critics of Conrad. The 'black' argument sort of muddied everything for me.
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RACISM
Apr 5, 2014 5:44:08 GMT
Post by danyhong55 on Apr 5, 2014 5:44:08 GMT
Racism is a touchy topic that we all seem to have opinions about. From "letting it slide" to a full on frontal assault. I admit, Conrad marginalizes the African people, reducing them to nameless faces in the book (to be fair, the manager, pilgrims and the Intended are mostly nameless as well). Neither does he take the time to portray the Natives as humans like Marlow and Kurtz but as almost savages less of a people than they. However, to discount the book because of this is ignorant and irresponsibly short-sighted.
What happened in Africa was that white Europeans wanted to go in to another country claiming to want to give them their “human rights” and Christ, which directly establishes they do not give these fellow humans their status of human or equal until they have their “human rights” or salvation, then they breakdown sovereignty and try to control the state. In an analogy, the Europeans came from a society where everyone has long pants and they are looking at other societies that wear shorts. The Aff believes that the societies that wear shorts are less human because they don’t have their knees and shins covered. The Aff wants to go and change how the other countries operates and justifies it because they are less than human until they have their “human rights”. It starts by changing what they wear, then how they act, then how they operate, and keeps going until there is a total dominance. Once we are in control, we may use brute force to justify change because we know “what’s best”. This is where genocide occurs. We subject the “other” to violence until we “normalize” them, even to the extent that we completely wipeout the “Others” culture and people which is an act of genocide. To criticize a whole society in the past, the 19th century is to proclaim them less than human because they do not, could not match our standard of morality. Conrad was born in 1857 and to judge him by our standards is to subject him through an impossible test, one he is doomed to fail.
It is when we impose our thoughts, our beliefs and proclaim them as truth without thought of the history and background of the "Others" is what led to the initial colonialization of the Africas, Latin America, Asia and even Australia. Achebe's and many other people's criticism of Conrad in their crusade against racism forget why racism is so bad, the marginalization of the "Other" race. Hell if animosity against a race was the only impact of racism, it wouldn't be a very large issue. But the fact that races have been marginalized and impacted disproportionately because they are part of an "Other" group, which is evaluated by standards that ignore the "Other" group's background, makes the fight worthwhile, to re-humanize the "Other" into being not "Other." In this case, we are marginalizing the discourse of Conrad by waving the banner of "Racism" and proclaiming that it is less worthy partly because it was born of a time that was inherently racist. This mindset is what allowed for censorship of the "Other" and colonialism. Perpetuation of this ideology, in favor of equality or not is inherently Otherizing and promotes structural violence in a place of discourse and learning.
The language of the book is something to marvel and pick-apart. The themes and motifs and the way they intertwine and seamlessly integrate themselves into the text is highly admirable. The message of the book carries important psychological and philosophical thoughts of people and the world. We cannot throw all of this away just because it is subconsciously racist. The book does not promote marginalization of a group nor does it strongly perpetuate a mindset that disparately impacts a population. To evaluate it as such under the banner of "racism" and "equality" seems pretentious and discourteous.
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RACISM
Apr 6, 2014 22:40:52 GMT
Post by amysohlberg on Apr 6, 2014 22:40:52 GMT
Achebe's article really left me pondering the purpose of art. I know this is something we have been addressing all year long, but I'm still not satisfied with my definition of what good art is. Like Natalie, I found Heart of Darkness to be an aesthetically beautiful work, and I love Conrad's dense and descriptive writing, but is that enough to make it Art? I was completely convicted by Achebe's frank response to the leading Conrad scholar's assertion that Heart of Darkness is "among the half-dozen greatest short novels in the English language," that "...the question is whether a novel which celebrates this dehumanization, which depersonalizes a portion of the human race, can he called a great work of art."
I was so quick to throw my lot in with the Conrad scholar! I think Heart of Darkness is a very complex and beautiful, albeit dark, work, but how could I just skip right over the deeply ignorant and dehumanizing assertions the book makes about Africans and African culture? It's scary that I just accept it as part of the novel and the time Conrad was writing from. Achebe's article is really distressing me, especially because I think we can read his words and agree, "Wow, Conrad was so racist. Lucky thing we're so enlightened and knowledgeable now so that we can appreciate Heart of Darkness but also keep in mind the racism in the novel." Thing is, I don't think we're distant enough from the horrifying racism to be able to appreciate Heart of Darkness as a great piece of Art. To me, Art must capture the essence of Truth--not truth, but Truth. I think this novel reaffirms the ethnocentrism and xenophobia that is engrained in Western culture. Why are the Africans in this story reduced to props, to part of the backdrop for the great European Kurtz's fall from greatness? Heart of Darkness is too opposed to the TRUTH for me to consider it great art. Africans are HUMANS, just like westerners, and as HUMANS, we all belong to the same human race. I believe that we are all brothers, children of the same loving God who created us all equally. This Truth is too central. Heart of Darkness isn't true art because it tells a lie.
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RACISM
Apr 7, 2014 7:08:01 GMT
Post by yongkim on Apr 7, 2014 7:08:01 GMT
"And the question is whether a novel which celebrates this dehumanization, which depersonalizes a portion of the human race, can he called a great work of art. My answer is: No, it cannot."
Heart of Darkness is written beautifully, in my opinion. Conrad's frame narrative, although unique, gave me insight into numerous characters (mostly Marlow). Though it is written well, can we say it is a "good" book?
A question that numerous historians like to discuss is whether Hitler was a great leader. In terms of his leadership skills (disregarding his purpose), many would agree that Hitler was an effective leader for his people. He gained their loyalty and took control of Germany toward the goal of world domination. In fact, John F. Kennedy even stated Hitler "had in him the stuff of which legends are made." However, in terms of morality, Hitler was an awful individual who we all condemn based on his Nazi leadership. Many cannot overlook that, including me.
This debate about whether Hitler was a great leader or not is similar to the debate about whether Heart of Darkness can be considered a good work of literature. It depends on how you choose to look at it. From a formalist approach, Conrad's writing style is distinct and allows for the investigation of several motifs (dark vs light, interiors vs exteriors, etc) in order to gain a better understanding of the themes. On the contrary, racism is present throughout the whole novel, especially through the descriptions of the African people. To Conrad, it seems as if the Africans were objects not individuals. Achebe's assertion that Marlow speaks for Conrad is hard to shake since he made a similar trip to the Congo River in 1890. My attitude toward Heart of Darkness is similar to how many people feel toward Hitler. Conrad's work has its great passages and moments; however, its racist undertone makes it difficult to appreciate Heart of Darkness.
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Apr 7, 2014 15:34:29 GMT
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Post by fionabyrne on Apr 7, 2014 15:34:29 GMT
As a historical critic, I'd like to respond to the assertion that Conrad's racism can be written off as a product of the times. One shortcoming of historical criticism is that works can be revered because of their historical importance even when the form leaves much to be desired (I.e. The Jungle). This is not the case with Heart of Darkness, as the literary quality is very high. Another shortcoming of historical criticism is that authors can and often do leave the beaten path when creating art. A solid 80% of this book is description of the exact ways in which the natives are inferior, so to write off the racism as the fault of the times is to write off all but 20% of the book. I am of the opinion that the racism is interesting to read. It is important to see how people thought, and even to see hints of our own flawed thinking in this elevated case.
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RACISM
Jun 4, 2014 4:42:16 GMT
Post by steph on Jun 4, 2014 4:42:16 GMT
Achebe defines very pointedly when, where, what, and how Heart of Darkness shouldn't be considered a work of art, and answering the question "why?" all those reasons are there are not pretty either. While reading the article, I started to question how the book was taught, how the program could easily (too easily) allow students to walk from it, after scribbling out an essay about metaphor and perspective, without recognizing the destructive racist aspects, something Achebe tells us is too common amongst even scholarly circles. All art, however, is as biased as Heart of Darkness. No one person is without the falls of their culture, time period, conditioning, and assumptions, and their art will inevitably reflect that. What I find lovely about humanity, however, is our ability to recognize the atrocities art points out, and still esteem it while it is jabbing at all our problems, and then recognize the problems of the artist, and still esteem the art. Assumptions are made by an audience, and by any artist. As long as we continue to attempt to become more aware and recognize the troubling complexity among all art (The Death of Marat comes to mind), and still use it to grow and change ourselves, we should esteem that ability for it to give us such awareness.
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RACISM
Jun 4, 2014 5:12:24 GMT
Post by madisonarmst on Jun 4, 2014 5:12:24 GMT
As a fellow historical critic, I agree with everything Fiona has said. In addition, the time period in which Conrad lives and the context of his journey are not excuses for his racism, even by a historical critic's standards. Historical criticism examines not only the time the novel takes place in, but also the time period in which it is read. Thus, as readers, we understand that racism was extremely prevalent in Conrad's time period and culture, but we also acknowledge how those same remarks are viewed in the 21st century. Conrad's racism is both a function of his time and his personal biases, but that does not excuse it. Ignoring the context of the time period and culture, Conrad is a racist. He believes that he is superior to those of other races. Just like any other trait, Conrad's racism should be thoroughly examined and considered in the context of his entire character and culture.
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Post by chrisb on Jun 4, 2014 6:14:52 GMT
madisonarmst makes a great point here. Conrad is a racist. As readers and critics, however, we must avoid reduction. Conrad is multi-dimensional, and to reduce him to a single layer is to destroy the onion.
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RACISM
Jun 4, 2014 6:46:18 GMT
Post by avinash on Jun 4, 2014 6:46:18 GMT
In Conrad's work, the African landscape was degraded to a mere prop necessary for the story of a European man to be told. Achebe’s rhetoric counter these stereotypes and show that Africa is in fact a rich land full of intelligent people who are, in fact, very human. Although I see where Achebe is coming from, I think the analysis is missing the main point. Achebe isn’t looking at the purpose of this book. Heart of Darkness isn’t focused on the accurate portrayal of Africa. Rather, it isn’t completely clear as to what Conrad is trying to focus on, but it can be seen that his purpose in writing isn’t to deface the African continent. With literature you have to take the good with the bad. For Achebe the bad overshadowed any good he saw in the beauty of Conrad’s writing: I do not doubt Conrad's great talents. Even Heart of Darkness has its memorably good passages and moments"
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RACISM
Jun 4, 2014 7:12:33 GMT
Post by Anna M. on Jun 4, 2014 7:12:33 GMT
I seemed to have completely missed this thread when it was created...whoops! ...In retrospect... One of the biggest problems I had with HOD was the racism. How everything was "dark", "savage", or "satanic". I think the characters and settings are overemphasized and exaggerated. I cannot imagine Kurtz being a real person. He seems to be different to each person. Kurtz to Marlow is completely different from the Kurtz to the intended and he lacks any morals. Just as the character of Kurtz is exaggerated, the Conrad's perception of Africans is exaggerated to an extent where they don't even seem human. I like characters with depth, because humans tend to also have depth, so the one-dimensionality of many of the characters bothered me.
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RACISM
Jun 4, 2014 8:55:57 GMT
Post by billfeng on Jun 4, 2014 8:55:57 GMT
I remember our class discussion a bit back about how we all may just be a lil' bit racist, inherently, even though we try to curb it. Let's back off a little from the New Historicism perspective and look at Conrad's subtle description of racism in the narrator's words. The novel starts off really soon with "... Marlow was not the typical (if his propensity to spin yarns be expected), and to him the meaning of an episode was not inside like a kernel but outside, enveloping the tale which brought it out only as a glow brings out a haze” (Conrad, 6). He is specifically meta-implying that he wants his work to be worked with in the future beyond and for the race issue to continuously be perpetuated as a topic of discussion. From a formalist point of view, I do have to say that Conrad's language is an admixture of nauseating beauty and horror. This murky tone, combined with the themes of ambition and human brutality create a causal product that is worth more than it can be dismissed. That, in itself, is what fascinates me about Conrad's work, which keeps me from rejecting it on the basis of racism.
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