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Post by betsyrahe on Jun 25, 2013 20:56:42 GMT
SPOILERS :Don't read on unless you have finished the novel
After Grendel learns the Dragon put a charm on him so no weapon can cut him he believes he is practically invincible. Unfortunately for Grendel, he is killed at the end of the novel. He whimpers for a while that it is an accident this man got a hold of him. The last sentence of the novel really sticks with me, "Poor Grendel's had an accident. So may you all."(174)
This novel deals a lot of with the question of the meaning of life. The Dragon believes there is none and eventually all things end. The Shaper sings of tales about what is meaning in life, and the humans agree. What do you think the last phrase says about the meaning of life? Any final thoughts on the ending of the novel?
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Post by Lacey Doby on Jul 7, 2013 18:02:07 GMT
I kept on thinking about Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five through this whole book. The whole idea of "So it goes" is very relevant in Grendel. "Stuff happens and it just needs to be accepted" I feel is basically the idea in both books. That last line of Grendel though, is kind of intimidating. He has been watching "stuff" happen to other people for basically his whole life, but when something drastic happens to him, he is suddenly reminded that he is not just a watcher but a participant in reality. Then he goes and reminds everyone else, and the animals around him as well as the readers, that they are in the same situation as he is. Breaking the fourth wall a bit. Creepy, but highly effective.
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Post by alice on Jul 7, 2013 21:20:04 GMT
I think that final remark about his "accident" also plays upon his supposed invincibleness. He had reached a mind set where he figured he could brandish his power without facing any of the consequences which existed before the dragon, but was greatly augmented by the dragon's speech. The word "accident" suggests that it is not supposed to happen, whether that mean not supposed to happen in Grendel's eyes or the dragon's or the narrator's or anyone else's. This one simple word also suggests that the Grendel, even while being "invincible" and all powerful, is prone to the world's cruel tricks that will always be more powerful. While reading the end I was a little bit frustrated with the seemingly sudden entrance of these all powerful "men" from across the sea who caused Grendel's "accident" but I figure that's the way accidents happen; no one ever really has foresight about the bad things that may be coming their way but when they start coming forwards, they come inconceivably fast.
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Post by patricktbutenhoff on Jul 13, 2013 6:47:41 GMT
I feel that the very last line is Grendel's last middle finger to the sky: he curses the world and everything in it for utterly destroying him. Even the animals gathered around Grendel don't care about his demise; he comments that they are "enjoying" his end. The comment about the accident links back to Grendel's mindset during the entire fight with Beowulf, in which he spends more time complaining about his mishap than actually fighting. He keeps insisting that it was an accident that he's losing, that Beowulf tricked him and then he slipped. He insists that he's not actually weaker and that Beowulf wasn't fated to kill him, it was an accident. The word "accident" also relates to the dragon's view of the universe, in which there is no god to set everything in motion, no blessed and cursed races, no heroes or villains. Nothing is meticulously planned by a watchful overseer, it is all a meaningless blip in the void of eternity. Rather than the existence of a deeper meaning, cause, or importance, the dragon claims that all of existence is just an accident. I think that Grendel's word choice relates to this "purely accidental" view of the universe. Grendel cries during the battle with Beowulf, "It was an accident!" Indeed it was.
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Post by amychen on Jul 14, 2013 0:02:01 GMT
Speaking of Slaughterhouse-Five, [SPOILER---for Slaughterhouse-Five and Grendel] I think Gardner not only adopted Vonnegut's "so it goes" but also the idea of Tralfamadorians. His novel, Grendel appears to be one elaborate response to Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-five.
For example, The dragon appears to have the Tralfamadorian mindset when he tells Grendel "'We see from the mountaintop: all time, all space. We see in one instant the passionate vision and the blowout. Not that we cause things to fail, you understand...Dragons don't mess with your piddling free will'" (Gardner 54).
This quote matches up with Vonnegut's novel, in which he writes "'...I am a Tralfamadorian, seeing all time as you might see a stretch of the Rocky Mountains. All time is all time. It does not change. It does not lend itself to warnings or explanations. It simply is. Take it moment by moment, and you will find that we are all, as I've said before, bugs in amber....If I hadn't spent so much time studying Earthlings,...I wouldn't have any idea what was meant by 'freewill''"(Vonnegut 85-86).
Looking back into my journal responses to Slaughterhouse-five from last year’s summer homework has proven to be not-so-helpful—I interpreted the Tralfamadorian mindset and “and so on”s and “so it goes”s as a representation of dehumanization in war and PTSD, an interpretation that Gardner does not appear to share. What Gardner appears to do is take a creature that enjoys pushing boundaries---Grendel---and say “what would happen if I give him a boundary he cannot break?” Grendel’s response, as pointed out by Patrick, is to get angrier at the world and is forced down by the boundary of “accident” established by the dragon.
Focusing back on the end of the novel, however, an immediate and somewhat cliched answer comes to mind—that despite all actions, good or bad, all living things meet the same fate: death. Gardner seems to express the opinion that because memories can be twisted---the Shaper can make the bad appear to be good, events can be forgotten, and history books are our only remnants of the past---the only thing that matters is perception. For example, on the last page, Grendel, claims he has had an "accident" while also stating "my voluntary tumble into death" (Gardner 152). Grendel's paradox is not one of confusion but rather one of preserving the perception of free will. Although the dragon appears to be correct, Grendel's "voluntary tumble" and use of "may" instead of "will" in his final sentence is a expression of individual free will, a defiant declaration that he still refuses to play by the rules of fate.
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Post by Kasey on Jul 21, 2013 2:30:33 GMT
Looking at the idea of invincibility given by the dragon, and how that is disproven, I think the ending says a lot about this idea of people thinking they're 'Invincible'. I've personally heard plenty of adults go on and on about how teens think nothing can hurt them, and then something happens. For me, Grendel is a stereotypical teenager. He's mopey and angry and pretends he's king, but then his arm gets ripped off and he starts wailing for his mom...a nice tie back into the beginning chapters. He even calls it an accident, which, for this metaphor at least, is a simple comfort to his pride. I was surprised I felt some sympathy for Grendel, as he wasn't really pulling on my heartstrings the entire book. I think it was him crying out for his mother again, because it came back to when I thought Grendel was basically just a young and stupid kid-monster. Sneaky sneaky, Mr. Gardner.
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Post by natalieskowlund on Jul 26, 2013 18:44:20 GMT
Back to the discussion of what exactly Grendel meant when he referred to his death as an "accident," some were suggesting that it was a final shout out to one of the novel's main themes: the cruel randomness and lack of meaning in life. Yet I perceived it more as an illumination of a last spark of Grendel's stymied desire to believe in a life that has meaning.
I gather this logic mainly from a quotation a few paragraphs before the last line. As Grendel begins to realize his death looming near, Gardner writes (in the perspective of Grendel), "'It was an accident,' I bellow back. I will cling to what is true. 'Blind, mindless, mechanical. Mere logic of chance'" (152). Suddenly, it seems as if Grendel longs to believe in the "Mere logic of chance" (which is a total paradox, I must point out). And while it may have seemed like Grendel had believed in this sense of randomness and chance all along, let us not forget the dragon's insistence that living beings have no control over their own lives, that everything that will happen in the universe has been pre-planned--a being's fate is inevitable and unchangeable. Hence, when Grendel refers to his death as an "accident" it seems as though he wishes to believe that his true destiny would have stretched much farther into the future, and that his death represented a glitch in the eternal plan. In a "blind, mindless, mechanical" world, it does not seem that chance or accidents could exist; rather, like a factory machine, each being is produced and sent in a specific route towards its fate in the hands of the all-powerful universe. In these last moments of Grendel's life, I believe he realizes the paradox between how he viewed his own fate and the fates of other beings. While he readily killed others because their deaths were inevitable anyhow in the scheme of things, in the back of his mind I don't think he ever doubted that he was invincible and would not face the same vulnerable death as all of those he had killed. So when he ends up facing his own death, realizing that he too must face the suffering and impermanence of life not as the perpetrator but as the victim, he latches onto one last hope: that his death is, indeed, an "accident," a giant mess-up on the part of the universe. Even in his last moments, Grendel refuses to face the fact that he exists on the same plane as all other beings, and that the universe will not treat him as if he is special.
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Post by shannonfender on Aug 21, 2013 11:10:10 GMT
Patrick: I never thought of the ending like that! I must admit, however, that I have a very different interpretation to the ending.
Grendel is taught to believe that his purpose on earth is to be " the brute existent by which [people] learn to define themselves by" (73). True to the fatalist he is, Grendel decides that this is his undeniable destiny on earth. When Beowulf manages to upset this destiny and kill Grendel, Grendel struggles to come to grips with the true way of the world :that one's fate is not set in stone. Thus, he belligerently shouts, "It was an accident" (152).
However, in his dying breaths, I believe that Grendel realizes that people have power over their own lives. He says, "Poor Grendel's had an accident...So may you all" (174), as more of a warning that others not follow in Grendel's footsteps and live according to what he or she believes is his or her predetermined fate. This path leads Grendel to misery, and he discovers upon his death that this anguish was avoidable all along.
Perhaps, to Grendel, this accident is a blessing in disguise?
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Post by jamiezimmerman on Aug 30, 2013 23:18:05 GMT
I am really struck by the twist of the last sentence: "So may you all." For so long, Grendel has tiptoed the line between indifference for humans and vitriol for humans. At one point, he adored their hypnotic and heart-wrenching music, the words of the Shaper reducing him to tears. At another, he venerated the queen Wealtheow, admiring the way she erased Unferth's murderous past with a single sentence. But he has always been disgusted by the way humans interacted with each other: "It was confusing and frightening, not in a way I could untangle. I was safe in my tree, and the men who fought were nothing to me, except of course that they talked in something akin to my language, which meant that we were, incredibly, related. I was sickened, if only at the waste of it: all they killed - cows, horses, men - they left to rot or burn" (Gardner 36). In the beginning, Grendel casually spoke of humans as a mere headache: "I am not in a mood, just yet, to talk of men" (Gardner 8). But the last expression confirms how Grendel really feels about humans - he wishes death upon them in the most painful and horrific way. Just as death consumes Grendel, so does vengeance.
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Post by cassiecumberland on Aug 31, 2013 0:16:11 GMT
I was definitely more than shocked by how the novel ended. I thought Grendel would depict a tale of a negative monster who finds inner peace and acceptance within the world at the end. I keep digging deeper into the last few pages searching if there is any sort of positivity that could be within the last line "Poor Grendel's had an accident. So may you all" (174) and I have to say I found some sort of redeeming message, and Grendel's final words towards humanity. Grendel, towards his demise says, "Again sight clears. I am slick with blood. I discover i no longer feel pain. Animals gather around me, enemies of old, to watch me die. I give them what I hope will appear a sheepish smile. My heart booms terror. Will the last of my life slide out if I let out breath? They watch with mindless, indifferent eyes, as calm and midnight black as the chasm below me. Is it joy I feel?" (173). Grendel has practically searched for death during the entirety of the novel. He finds no joy in living, the world, or humanity. WIth this last line- last breath, Grendel questions "is it joy I feel" because he is finally able to be taken from this world he hates so much. Placing these last thoughts side by side with the final line of the novel "Poor Grendel's had an accident. So may you all," it seems as though Grendel is saying something along the lines of "I hope you all die so you can find joy in this horrible world".
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